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Place : Hotel Okura Tokyo
Date and Time : September 3, 2004 9:00-18:15
1. Presentation by presenters
(1) Alan Auerbach "Liquidity Trap and Policy Response"2. Comments by discussants
(1) Yasushi Iwamoto(on Auerbach's presentation)(2) Robert Feldman(on Harada's presentation)
Because fiscal policy has been adopted in correspondence with economic trends, government expenditure is not exogenous. Since there is change in preferences and such, investment and consumption are not genuinely exogenous. In addition, the number of variables is not sufficient. For example, China, an important variable, is not included. Moreover, it is difficult to believe that an increase in lending necessarily means a good financial system, and besides, lending is not an index for the financial system. Also, since VAR (Vector autoregression model) is an analytic method targeting a massive amount of data, it is not adequate for this small amount of data. Monthly data should be used. Furthermore, if "correlation = cause and effect" does not hold true, the paper's conclusion is not necessarily valid.
3. Q&A
Auerbach
That the figures are not actual figures of Japan does not influence the essence of the conclusion. That there is no incentive on the part of the central bank to increase welfare may be true, but it is sufficient if the increase of money supply by the central bank is maintained to some extent. However, it would be a problem if the entire policy is reversed.
Speaker
There is a problem with the model being one of a closed economy. The influence of a weakening exchange rate caused by an increase in money supply is not included. An open economy model is preferred.
Speaker
Confidence depends on the central bank's statement. The problem is that it is unclear what will happen after overcoming deflation and at what percent the inflation rate would be set. These should be stated specifically.
Speaker
Confidence can be sufficiently gained with the long-term target greatly exceeding zero.
Speaker
A rise in land prices in central Tokyo is an important point to consider for monetary policy.
Speaker
Providing for times like an oil shock, a feedback rule for the central bank is necessary. Is feedback included in the model?
Speaker
Japanese banks possess government bonds that do not appear on the market. The role of such financial intermediaries should be considered.
Auerbach
In a liquidity trap, policy different from a conventional one is necessary. I can't say that I have fully analyzed the open economy. I think that the treatment of financial institutions was simple. But the main results should still hold.
Harada
Including the significance of lending, if variables can be interpreted in various ways, anything can be said. Moreover, that the impact of China on prices is insignificant can be seen from this analysis (Prices in the model represent price factors other than money; specifically, China shock for example. Theses prices do not have a significant effect on production.).
There are other analyses where China's influence is negligible. The remark referring to insufficient degree of freedom (data amount) is true, but that is taken into account in concluding if it is statistically significant or not. Using monthly data is a fine proposal and I would like to try that. On the other hand, since change in monetary base is carried out intentionally, we can say that a cause and effect relationship exists.
Speaker
Perhaps it would not be a problem if labor productivity did not drop in the 1990s.
Harada
Labor hours and production fell because real wages rose due to deflation and labor demand decreased. It would be a big problem if employment and production fall.
1. Presentation by presenters
(1) Anil Kashyap "Solutions to Japan's Banking Problems: What might work and what definitely will fail"2. Comments by discussants
(1) Masaya Sakuragawa(on Kashyap's presentation)
Overbanking (used in the sense of overlending) is due to overdeposit (deposits which exceed lending capacity) as well. This made its way to zombie companies in the 1990s. Overdeposit is due to lack of corporate governance. Japanese banks aimed for the maximization of lending. This led to non-performing loans, overbanking, and lack of capital. The inadequate enforcement of capital adequacy ratio regulation is also a problem.
3. Q&A
Kashyap
If the capital adequacy ratio were properly regulated, overlending would not have occurred and improvement in efficiency would have taken place earlier.
Speaker
Capital injection should be discussed together with management reform. In Japan, capital reinforcement was carried out with public funds. Without management reform of existing banks, public funds will be put to waste.
Speaker
Depositors do not pay attention to risk because of deposit insurance.
Speaker
If there are governmental financial institutions, banks cannot make profit.
Speaker
I don't think there is overbanking in Japan. The reason for low ROA is a bad financial system.
Kashyap
Expanding deposit insurance is not a good idea. Competition with the postal savings system does hurt the banks, but that has not prevented them from trying to develop and market higher margin products and services. When they have tried to come up with such products and services they have not been successful.
1. Presentation by presenters
(1) Kiyohiko Nishimura "Fixed-Cost Economy: Understanding Japanese Industry-wise Labor-Input Adjustment in 1980-2002"(3) Satoshi Shimizutani "Change in Japanese Employment Practices in the 1990s"
The long-term employment and wage seniority have been discussed as notable characteristics of Japan's employment practices. In the 1990s, average years of tenure in a firm increased, rather decreased, with the exception of male workers in their 30s. The wage curve by age still has a steep slope. The slope is slightly flatter for male workers and slightly steeper for female workers.
2. Comments by discussants
(1) John Fernald (on Nishimura's presentation)(3) Kiyoshi Ohta(on Shimizutani's presentation)
Although there is question regarding bias resulting from the influence of longer years of service of workers with high capacity who are detained by firms, this influence of capacity can be eliminated to a certain degree by the repeated cross-section analysis in this report. Also, comparison with the American case is useful.
3. Q&A
Hori
We did not verify the validity of policy. Rather we indicated that when market discipline becomes necessary, the necessary condition that depositors will take such action is fulfilled.
Speaker
Depositors with loans from credit associations should be distinguished from other depositors. May it not be the case that such depositors changed their deposit accounts to demand deposits since they cannot transfer their deposits to other financial institutions?
Speaker
I would like to see analysis on how market discipline influenced interest. Credit associations with high risk should have to set their interest high.
Shimizutani
Although I think there is bias in the coefficient on tenure years, I don't think the degree changed through the 1990s.
1. Presentation by lead speakers
(1) Hiroshi Yoshikawa
Rise in labor productivity and development of new products are important for economic growth. Structural reform is not only supply side policy, but also demand creating as well. The latter is very important. Even if population drops, the sustainable growth of over 2% is possible.
2. Q&A
Speaker
Movement of the population must be taken into consideration. In addition, the Bank of Japan must not abandon the zero-interest rate policy, saying that the present economic growth rate is fair. It must be maintained. Time is not right for fiscal restructuring yet.
Speaker
The labor market is becoming flexible. It is similar to that of the US rather than Europe's.
Speaker
The present policy of the Bank of Japan is in the broadest sense, an inflation target policy. As a condition, core CPI must be more than zero in order to not to return to deflation. The important thing is to stabilize expectation. In order to do so, it is necessary to communicate with the market step by step.
Speaker
There will be no demand without restructuring zombie companies.
Speaker
Technological advance in the non-manufacturing sector is necessary. Moreover, a higher retiring age is necessary to cope with an aging population.
Speaker
Since growth depends on the China factor, it will fall on a short-term basis. However, because employment adjustment is reaching its end, in the long run, growth will recover.
Speaker
Since debts, production capacity, and excess labor have been resolved considerably and growth centers on internal demand, recovery is sustainable.
Speaker
The rise in employment of young people and an increase in young people that lack skills are insecurities for growth.
Yoshikawa
An aging population creates new demand such as robots for the care of the elderly. In the 21st century, an aging population will become a global phenomenon, including China. If Japan's technology development advances in this field, it would surely be a source of international competitiveness for Japan in the future.
1. Presentation by lead speakers
(1) Takeo Hoshi(3) Yuko Kawamoto
The final goal of reform is made clear by discussing the financial system in 2030. The two pillars of the goal are 1) complete withdrawal of government as a shareholder of private financial institutions, and 2) abolition of the loan function of governmental financial institutions. This will allow the Japanese financial system more private-controlled and sustainable. As aging in society develops further, the overall saving ratio in household will continue to fall, and financing in Japan is likely to depend on more from abroad. As a result, rules of the global capital market will be broadly applied in Japan, and transparency and accountability will continue to be keywords.
2. Q&A
Speaker
Downsizing governmental financial institutions is politically difficult. Debtors are satisfied, and ensuring employment for workers is a hurdle. A market solution through privatization is better.
Speaker
Since the saving rate will fall drastically, Japan will come to depend on overseas capital. Also, since the working population will pass its peak, there will be a drop in ROA and capital will shift to the US.
Speaker
The government should standardize reverse mortgage.
Speaker
Whether there will be marketization of core parts of financial affairs is skeptical. Since the financial system is complementary to other systems, the financial system alone will not bring change.
Speaker
The inspection of the Financial Services Agency on governmental financial institutions should be made equal to that on private financial institutions. Government guarantee for governmental financial institutions should be gradually abolished.
Hoshi
Complementarily is important, but it does not imply the system as a whole cannot change. Indeed, a change in the financial system is likely to cause the other parts of the economic system to change. Privatization of the postal savings may not be necessary. An alternative is to convert the postal savings into a narrow bank (core bank) with the government's guarantee on the postal deposits intact. One of the important benefits of this alternative is that it allows the government to get rid of the guarantees or insurance on bank deposits, which creates serious moral hazard problems as many speakers today pointed out.
Yoshino
Reverse mortgage did not go well due to a drop in land prices and because children receiving inheritance disliked it.
Kawamoto
The trigger for change in the financial system is disclosure. Costs hidden to the public will become clear and this will change the attitude of the public.
Speaker
I would like to thank the numerous response we received for the questionnaire regarding how the financial system is likely to be around 2030. The response pointed to a similar direction.
Q)
What is necessary for a sustained recovery of the Japanese economy?
A)
We need to proceed with structural reform.
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